TWW feminists versus N.T. Scripture

The reason Dee/Deb are always attacking conservative Evangelicals is simple.  Conservative Evangelicals hold to the continued inerrancy of Scripture; and as all Scripture applied to the church when written in the 1st century, it continues to apply to the church today.  God has not change his mind.  The conservative Evangelicals refuse to change their stance on Scripture.

And these are the particular passage of N.T. Scripture that Dee/Deb do not accept as authoritative in our time and culture.
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WOMEN

Ephesians 5: 22-33

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body.31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

1. Peter 3

1Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. 5For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands,6like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her lord. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.

7Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.

The New Testament Church—The Role of Women

1 Corinthians 11:3-10 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. 4 Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying, disgraces his head. 5 But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying, disgraces her head; for she is one and the same with her whose head is shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. 7 For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9 for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. 10 Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.

1 Corinthians 14:33-35 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. 34 Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35 And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.

1 Timothy 5:10 having a reputation for good works; and if she has brought up children, if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the saints’ feet, if she has assisted those in distress, and if she has devoted herself to every good work.

Titus 2:3-5 Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips, nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, 4 that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be dishonored.

1. Timothy 2: 8-15

8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds,appropriate for women who profess to worship God.

11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

See also 1 Timothy 2:9-15, Romans 16:1-6 and Luke 8:1-3.

Dealing with inherited problematic church leaders = 9 Marks

9Marks

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QUESTION:
What tips do you have for dealing with bad leaders that you inherit in a new pastorate?

ANSWER:
1. Pray. 
Pray for wisdom. Pray for humility. Pray for unity between you and your church’s other leaders. Pray that God would work in their hearts.

2. Preach the Bible.
All genuine change in a church comes as God works through his Word. Pray that God would use your teaching of his Word to change the hearts of your leaders.

3. Work with those you can.
Encourage and disciple those leaders who love God and his Word. Entrust as much ministry to them as possible.

4. Be honest and discreet.
Don’t gossip about people, but be willing to humbly yet directly confront them, perhaps with a trusted leader at your side.

5. Take the long view.
God is patient, and our timetable doesn’t always match his. Realize that you may plant and another can water—and it’s always God who gives the increase (1 Cor. 3:7).

6. Remember that the people belong to God.
You may refer to your people as “my church,” but they ultimately belong to God. So commit them to God in prayer and trust that he will work all things together for their good (Rom. 8:28).

7. Trust in God.
If God holds the hearts of kings in his hand (Prov. 21:1), he is able to do whatever he wants with ornery church leaders.

8. Learn from experience.
If you experience difficulties now, they should make you wiser for the future.

THE INCREASING LIBERALISM OF T.W.W.

Interesting article:  https://downtrend.com/robertgehl/american-thinker-top-ten-reasons-i-am-no-longer-a-leftist

TOP TEN REASONS I AM NO LONGER A LEFTIST.

1] In the late 1990s I was reading Anatomy of the Spirit, a then recent bestseller by Caroline Myss.

Myss described having lunch with a woman named Mary. A man approached Mary and asked her if she were free to do a favor for him on June 8th. No, Mary replied, I absolutely cannot do anything on June 8th because June 8th is my incest survivors’ meeting and we never let each other down! They have suffered so much already! I would never betray incest survivors!

Myss was flabbergasted. Mary could have simply said “Yes” or “No.”

Reading this anecdote, I felt that I was confronting the signature essence of my social life among leftists.

We rushed to cast everyone in one of three roles: victim, victimizer, or champion of the oppressed. We lived our lives in a constant state of outraged indignation. I did not want to live that way anymore.

I wanted to cultivate a disposition of gratitude. I wanted to see others, not as victims or victimizers, but as potential friends, as loved creations of God. I wanted to understand the point of view of people with whom I disagreed without immediately demonizing them as enemy oppressors."

THE TWW posts so often seem to put people in EXACTLY those 3 categories.

TWW is self proclaimed champion of the oppressed - as are all of the survivor blogs

Anybody who has FELT insulted or degraded  or experienced a bad situation at a church is a victim.

Male Leadership in Evangelical Churches are the victimizers.

FINALLY the TWW comments - home of the perpetually outraged.

How do you people live like that?

TWW attacks the PROTESTANTS: - UPDATED

Is Child Sex Abuse More Prevalent Among Protestants Than Among Catholics?

ANSWER - NO

COMMENTER MAE
"Very distressing, uncomfortable to read of Kim’s sexual assaults. Sickening.
I’d never heard of this Baptist missionary group. Have always held medical missionaries with such high regards, which I’ve come to realize over time, is part of the sexual abuse problem.
Abusers look for prey.

No organization is exempt from them hiding out in it.

What is soooo hard to accept is them hiding out in the church, Christian organizations, right under our noses.
It is important to remember that it’s not Christianity which causes sexual abuse of children, but rather predators using a closed system of authority, to get away with such atrocities."
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As I've noted before TWW is much more than just trying to help churches with sexual abuse in their midst.  Nope, it's the conservative Evangelicals they are after.

dee 

Loren Haas wrote:

So what part of “who should cause a child to stumble” is so hard to understand?

There are some leaders in the Calvinists crowd who need to carefully reflect on this passage.

[ And there you go Dee - your true colors will show . You hate the conservative Evangelicals more than you hate abuse in the church]

PETER BALL - SEXUAL ABUSER THE CHURCH OF ENGLAND

Today's TWW post referenced the case of Bishop Peter Ball who was a sexual abuser and who was protected, for many years, by others in the Anglican Church.

It is a straightforward post that is NOT USED to lash out at conservative Evangelicals.

Maybe the Deebs are getting the point.  If you actually want people to believe you're concerned about sexual abuse from pastors/bishops and church leaders then do NOT use each post as an excuse to attack Evangelicals.

However, there is plenty of time for commenters to make outrageous and vile comments about men they don't know, have never met,  but who are found guilty by their advocacy of the inerrancy of Scripture.

Be sure and check back.
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Already someone is blaming the church because of "rockstar" pastors.

NOTE; you don't think John the Baptist wasn't a rock star?  Peter and John  weren't  rockstars?  Paul, Apollos, Timothy weren't rockstars of their day?

Of course they were; at the same time they were great and Godly men.

It happens you know.

Being an Evangelical "rockstar" is not a sin in and of itself.  However, if you are jealous of Evangelical rockstars, you are in sin.  Keep that in mine.
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ADDENDUM:
King David was surely THE BIGGEST ROCKSTAR of the Old Testament era and he WAS GUILTY of using his status to seduce a married woman and have her husband killed.  God made sure he paid a heavy price for his sin - it was continuous through-out the rest of his lifetime.

VODDIE BACHMAN ATTACKED

"guest commenter"  wrote:
"Sadistic patriarchy pervert Voddie Baucham"
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Muff Potter on Sat Jul 01, 2017 at 03:54 PM said:

Guest wrote:

Sadistic patriarchy pervert Voddie Baucham:

“A lot of men are leaving their wives for younger women because they yearn for attention from younger women. And God gave them a daughter who can give them that. And instead they go find a substitute daughter….you’ve seen it, we’ve all seen it. These old guys going and finding these substitute daughters.”

How long before Baucham gets embroiled in a Cosbyesque scandal? My guess is when enough young women overcome their fear of hell and come forward.

Deb/Dee - 
Letting a commenter post that  [ and be continually repeated] is beyond vile.

FACTS may not be EGALITARIAN

FEMALE PRIVILEGE: Study: More Men Hired in Gender-Blind Job Application Process.

The trial, which was an effort to push more women in senior position jobs, revealed that removing the gender from a candidate’s application does not help boost gender equality in hiring. The trial also revealed that adding a male name to a candidate’s application made them 3.2 percent less likely to get the job while adding a female name made it 2.9 percent more likely that the candidate would be hired.
Researchers assumed that removing gender identifiers from an application would make it easier for women to obtain employment in senior positions that have traditionally been dominated by men.
“We anticipated this would have a positive impact on diversity — making it more likely that female candidates and those from ethnic minorities are selected for the shortlist,” said Professor Michael Hiscox, a Harvard academic. “We found the opposite, that de-identifying candidates reduced the likelihood of women being selected for the shortlist.”

So they identified pervasive discrimination in favor of women. But what was the lesson drawn? Not that the (female-dominated) HR departments need to remedy that. Instead:

Hiscox warned governments and companies to consider the real possibility that gender-blind hiring processes may actually lessen equality in the workplace. “We should hit pause and be very cautious about introducing this as a way of improving diversity, as it can have the opposite effect,” Professor Hiscox claimed.

Well, one thing this illustrates is that “diversity” isn’t the same thing as “equality.”
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It's quite simple - God made men and women different, women make lousy men - and vice versa.  But men aren't engaged in a campaign to be equated with women.

The patriarchy will always exists; despite women's best efforts.