Another pastor steps down due to past sexual sins

T.W.W. highlight the resignation of Scottsdale church's pastor.

Due to the sinful nature of man and the current nature of the internet, there is probably no immediate end in sight for pastor's whose sexual past is less than perfect being exposed.

I think T.W.W. could probably highlight the sexual sins of at least 2 pastors a week.

They're already more popular than the National Enquirer I'm sure.
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You have to wonder if it will come back to bite them because the Deeb's husbands, sons, nephews, pastors and male friends all have more than their fair share of sins [ some sexual ] in the past.

It's one things to see the sins of people you don't know exposed; it's another when the sins of people you love are exposed.  It kinda changes the whole perspective on things.

T.W.W. unhappy with Willow Creek elders

At least 4 of them are women.

The Willow Creek Elders
Pam Orr
Connie Tameling
Lane Moyer
Missy Rasmussen
Phil Elworth
Verlyn Suderman
Michael Riddle
Warren Habib
Heather Larson

Apparently having women on the elder board doesn't guarantee you'll have leadership of which T.W.W. can give their official stamp of approval.

It's really not about supporting the victims; it's about attacking John Piper, Mark Dever, Lig Duncan

Who is Donald Macleod and why he is important to those of us in the United States.

Macleod has authored some books that have been referenced by the conservative Evangelicals who Wartburgwatch disdains.

So it's not about the victims/women, it's about the conservative Evangelical voices.

T.W.W. despises Tim Challies - and has for a long time.

Judah and his pregnant daughter-in-law - pregnant by Judah.  He says she must be burned until he finds out he's the father.  Then he rightly declares, she is more righteous than he.

https://www.challies.com/articles/bring-her-out-and-let-her-be-burned/
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We see other people’s sin so clearly and our own so opaquely. From a great distance and with the scantest information we can judge another person’s least transgression. 
 [ Discernment/Survivor blogs come to mind.] 

Yet we can rack our own hearts and minds and often barely come up with a single way we are anything less than perfect. What we see so well in others we simply do not see in ourselves.

We judge other people’s actions with the harshest of measures but treat our own with the softest.

We see other people’s sin as so serious and our own as so insignificant. We judge other people’s actions with the harshest of measures but treat our own with the softest. After all, we tend to grow fond of our sins, and especially those besetting sins. But all the while we hate the sins of others, and especially sins that annoy, harm, or inconvenience us.

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What puzzles me is that the self-righteous critics/commenters don't think God will call them to account.

Dear Commenters;  You should beware - I'm thinking.
That certainly applies to me too.

Try not to miss the forest for the trees Dee

"dee wrote:

I am going to say something that will probably cause an uproar. Willow Creek does not need Bill Hybels. Willow Creek does not need the current crop of leaders. Willow Creek does not need a *incredible* leader. Willow Creek needs Jesus and they need to let Him be in control."

I absolutely agree.

Neither does Jesus need Wartburgwatch: - can I have an "amen" Dee?  And yet you continue.

I don't think they are Neo-cals

GREENWOOD, Ind. – Authorities in Greenwood are at the scene of a disturbance at a temple.

Just before 3:00 p.m., multiple agencies were dispatched to the Gurdwara Sikh Temple, located in the 1000 block of S. Graham Rd., on the report of a large disturbance.

Police said 150 people were involved in a “brawl,” which led to 3-4 people receiving minor injuries. No weapons were recovered at the scene and no arrests were made.

The brawl reportedly resulted from an anticipated transition of leadership power. They said those in power did not want to step down.

"Sexual grooming"

Go to google, type in "sexual grooming definition" and you can read what I can read.

Dee, Deb, are you sure you wish to accuse [ or let your commenters/posters ] accuse Bill Hybels of sexual grooming? 

Hybels steps down - update

Chicago Trib

The Chicago Tribune examined allegations investigated by elders and other claims of inappropriate behavior by Hybels by interviewing current and former church members, elders and employees, as well as reviewing hundreds of emails and internal records.

The alleged behavior included suggestive comments, extended hugs, an unwanted kiss and invitations to hotel rooms. 

It also included an allegation of a prolonged consensual affair with a married woman who later said her claim about the affair was not true, the Tribune found.
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WILLOWCREEK STATEMENT

In recent times, I've been accused of many things I simply did not do. However, let me humbly acknowledge three things I have done.
First, my first response to some of these recent accusations was anger. I confess to feeling very angry these last few weeks as I watched harmful accusations fly around without accountability. I felt attacked and knew that my loved ones and this church family would be affected. I sincerely wish my initial response had been one of listening and humble reflection. If I could go back, I would have chosen to listen first, and then to seek to learn and understand. I apologize for a response that was defensive, instead of one that invited conversation and learning.
Secondly, I realize now that in certain settings and circumstances in the past I communicated things that were perceived in ways I did not intend, at times making people feel uncomfortable. I was blind to this dynamic for far too long. For that I'm very sorry.
Thirdly, I too often placed myself in situations that would have been far wiser to avoid. I was, at times, naive about the dynamics those situations created. I'm sorry for the lack of wisdom on my part. I commit to never putting myself in similar situations in the future.
Additionally, I want to acknowledge that anytime allegations like these are made, they must be received with great humility and gravity. I reaffirm to you that I have taken these allegations very seriously, as have our church's Elders. While some of the stories that have been told about me are misleading and others are entirely false, and while investigations have found no evidence of misconduct, I have been sobered by these accusations, and as I said earlier, I have invited the input of wise counselors, friends, and family members to help me engage in a process of humble reflection.   HYBELS

T.W.W. continues to hone in on the Hybels case

" Ending well - that's the challenge"

King David - case in point?
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OF NOTE:  She was let go in 2003.  That's 15 years ago. 
Memories not always accurate - even in real time to say nothing of a decade and 1/2 ago.

Wartburgwatch wants ANOTHER "independent investigation."

T.W.W. say the investigation of Willow Creek is NOT [ in their legal ? estimation ] truly independent.
They want investigation number TWO.

Here's the question, will ANOTHER investigation actually change anything?

Why don't we start another blog:  Willowcreek survivors comes to mind. [ sarc ]

Yeah, that's the ticket.  Another "discernment" blog allowing unhappy Christians through-out the blogosphere to pour out their unhappiness and dissatisfaction with the church in the comments section.

Deebs; where are you going with this.

Seriously