Tuesday, January 31, 2017

WARTBURGWATCH ATTACKS C.J. MAHANEY, for the umpteenth time

A now, a post about the most despised Evangelical on Wartburg's list of Evangelicals they don't like;  C.J. Mahaney.

Disclaimer:  I don't know the man, I've never heard the man in person or on the radio or via streaming.  He is, by all accounts, faithfully married for many years and has a couple of daughters who appear to be supportive of him.  He and other gentlemen, founded a church movement that became a denomination.

A commenter on a blog that focuses on their anger/hatred towards C.J. said this.

just saying... says:
"I’m pretty sure the stance of those named in the lawsuit and most members of CLC is that apart from Nate Morales, who was run out of town, all cases of child sexual abuse were prosecuted by police years ago, albeit with gross mishandling of the victims. It seems most people regard the majority of the Second Amended Lawsuit, particularly in regards to the ritualized abuse at Celebration as fiction. If that story is discredited, then all of that victim’s stories involving the school or church staff members are discredited.
So, while outsiders like Eagle and other bloggers rage about the [ alleged ] “largest child sex abuse scandal in evangelical history”, I think that while CLC members are grieved to hear the friends they cared dearly about were mistreated when they were victimized, they sadly think it is actually pretty typical of how most churches treated victims of sexual abuse during that time period......
So, if CJ is going to the RBD’s   [ Reformed Big Dawgs ] and claiming most of the stories were fabricated, and saying the remaining stories involved situations where they tried to hush-up the matter, I can see all the RBD’s being very sympathetic. They have all probably had tragic things happen in their churches over the years that they hushed-up."
I believe there is truth to that.  All churches all schools, all businesses including police departments and children's social services have had sexual perverts in their midst.  It's not a new thing and it will never change.  "The heart of man is desperately wicked, who can know it?"  says the prophet Jeremiah.  There will always be wicked men AND wicked women in every church.  There will always be sexual sins acted out within  or on the periphery of congregations;  SGM was not and is not unique in that respect.
Wartburg Watch and a couple of other blogs have been ABSOLUTE INCENSED that the Reformed Big Dawgs have refused to publically condemn C.J. for the sexual sins that have happened in the various congregations that make up SGM.   [ He himself has not been accused of sexual sins. ]
BUT, the Reformed Big Dawgs have have many snide posts written about them and have been the but of hundreds of ad hominen attacks.
If the bloggers who have launched personal attacks against you then ask you to turn around and publically denounce  a friend, what are you going to do?  Are you going to join with those who have written snarky columns against you and your family/associates or are you going to resist attacking your friends, who like you, understand you and treat you well.
The answer is quite obvious; you're loyal to your friends until they prove you shouldn't be loyal to them.  You mistrust bloggers who have accused you of things that are not true; who have claimed to know your heart and your motives but actually know neither.

Saturday, January 28, 2017


DEAR Barnabus, sadly many of the commenters and possibly the bloggers themselves secretly
 [ or not so secretly ] exult in your divorce.

TWW likes to position themselves as a compassionate voice for victims who have no voice.  If there are victims in your divorce; it is the children.   However, if the children must be sacrificed for the good of the feminist narrative [ the need for version 2.0 of Holy Scriptures which acknowledges feminism ] then so be it. 

Barnabus, it’s ALL YOUR FAULT.  Here you are a male [ probably a Cis-gendered white man]: if your wife choses to divorce you, it is undoubtedly because of your abuse.  TWW’s abuse expert has already condemned you.  Again, the feminist narrative is intact;  husbands must be the greater sinner if a divorce takes place.  It is not possible that a women would leave a decent man.

TWW is now hoping to exploit your ex-wife.  They want to take the details of your divorce public.  Frankly, you didn’t say much other than it was a tough marriage but you didn’t want to be divorced.

They’re hoping they can pound you [ and your father ] with your ex’s story of why you were such a shoddy husband.  They hope your failure as a husband will be blamed on your Evangelicalism – which they abhor, and your father, who they doubly abhor.


"I will only reiterate what I have been saying for years: John Piper is a freak, and I don’t understand how he got to his position atop the NeoCal world. He is a vapid creep, as far as I’m concerned."
[ Dee?  Deb?  - Why do you continue to let these comments stand? ]

FINAL WORDS of caution.

For you B.P., you will never, ever comment in public on your ex-wife.  No more blog posts – there’s no upside.

Your ex will not read this but she should do herself a favor, and NOT comment on a blog as to why she ended the divorce.  She may think there can be an upside, but the downside will be much worse.

Barn - ; don’t even THINK of dating.  There are a lot of troubled women who think you could be the answer to their pains and heartbreak.  You will hear from them.  You’re a nice looking guy and someone has divorced you – but you write very well and are a famous man’s son.  On the surface, you have a lot going for you – but don’t believe it. You are SOOooo unready to even contemplate a possibly romantic relationship with another woman.  Be a great daddy to your kids.

I'm no prophet but:
Your ex ABSOLUTELY WILL remarry: then and only then,  you can have conversations with your parents as to whether or not you are Scripturally free to re-marry.

THE enemies of the faith, as given by the saints, are coming for you son.  Hunker down lad; you’ll survive if you don’t get involved with the romantic life.  But trust me, they hope to do damage to your Mom and Dad thru you.  That is their goal.  They have always hated the prophets; of whom your Dad is one.

UPDATE:   Barbara Roberts [ who has a history of finding domestic abuse in every marital issue ] backed off her "tweets" which suggested Barnabus is probably an abuser and then the blog queens removed the tweets but still are suspicious of Barnabus because of his Dad, John Piper - whom they have frequently reviled.

TWW is STILL a blog pushing the feminist agenda, with mostly unhappy female commenters who are perennially offended - by conservative Evangelicals. 

Friday, January 20, 2017

Deb at the Inaguration


Friday, January 6, 2017


If you've paid any attention, the ladies of WartburgWatch [ and their commenters ] have been extremely critical of John Piper,  retired pastor, author and speaker.

As I noted in the introduction,  WartburgWatch, at it's core, wishes the American church to adopt a more modernized view of Scripture that would be approved of by feminists.

Here are two key comments by Dee and Deb

Jack wrote:
I don't care what the Bible says.  Men & women are equal. Period. Full stop. I’m no theologian but I don’t think Jesus was complementarian. And Paul didn’t turn down assistance when women offered to foot the bill.
They lived in a patriarchal culture in which women were subordinate and slaves were common. This does not mean the culture was bibilcal.[sic]. It meant that the world, as it was, was on the cusp of change and the male leaders fought to maintain the status quo on the cultural mores of the day.  Dee
THE PROBLEM: with Dee's statement above.  She is saying that New Testament Scripture needs an UPGRADE.
Without recognizing the problem, Dee has impugned God.  God is no more omniscient that Bill Gates.  God who "spirit breathed" Scripture, apparently, could not see the future and MISSED the changes culture would bring that would require an update.  If we have to update operating systems?  Why not Scripture?
BASICALLY God was UNABLE to give us his Word that would apply for all time to all people.  Instead, he is as fallible as Bill Gates; always needing to upgrade the principles and instructions of how Christians should live how churches and homes should function.
BOTTOM LINE - Either you believe God in his power, sovereignty, omniscience could get it right from day 1, or you think God is really not infallible over time and space.  Those are the options;  His plan is unchanged since the writings of the autographs - spirit breathed - or he needs to pull a Bill Gates and give us version two - that will please our current culture.
When it comes to patriarchy, which has been cleverly disguised as complementarianism, my husband often says – Why are the women putting up with it?
No wonder I love my hubby so much!!!
I’m gonna make a prediction…
In the not too distant future, Christian women in their 30s and 40s are gonna walk out of these patriarchal churches in droves, never to return again. And their families will be so much better off for it.
Male domination is NOT what Jesus modeled.  DEB
[ NOTE: Jesus' 12 disciples were all men - hard to say he was not demonstrating male leadership - dryly]
Even worse for Dee and Deb,  there is this article recently published in the Washington Post
BOTTOM LINE:  Replacing male preacher/elders with women may be satisfying to the culture and to WartburgWatch, but it will ultimately kill your church or denomination.
It is actually the churches who have ordained women as pastors that have seen their members "leave in droves."
Churches who hold to very traditional interpretations of Scripture are least like to die.

Wednesday, January 4, 2017

WARTBURGWATCH attacks retiring blogger Frank Turk

FRANK TURK, one of the earlier Christian bloggers along with Phil Johnson and Dan Phillips
[ Pyro-maniacs ] has announced his retirement from social media - apologizes for perhaps influencing the existence of discernment blogs.

WartburgWatch graciously accepts his mea culpa - NOT

Comments include:

Turk is every bit the “Captain Drama” he onced[sic] accused Michael Spencer of being. I doubt anything other than a diminished fan base and actual embarrassment has caused Turk’s withdrawal (as temporarily as it will perhaps be).

turk struck me as being shallow and a bit immature, like a middle-schooler trying to bully people he was so obviously attempting to manipulate ... no wit at all.

this just sounds like a drama queen move.
I do not recognize this as genuine repentance. It reminds me of a child, who when faced with how they mistreated one of their siblings, retorts: “Yeah, I know I hurt my sister, but she made me do it!”
The man is obviously fried. You could sense it in his writing of late. He needs a break to rest and reflect.
He needs to see a physician to give him a referral. He should be under much greater medical care, and perhaps medication.
I bet he made up phony names and posted comments from these make-believe ‘adoring fans’ to shore up his nonsense. You see a lot of that on blogs these days.
So, here’s what I have to say to Frank Turk and the other voices of “reason and respectability in the church”, shut up!! You are in no way representative of Christ. You are Pharisees who not only watch as abusers cause little ones to stumble, but you stick your feet out to trip them further. I am disgusted with a of you who dare to stand up for an abuser and protect him.....you are disgusting.
Anger is a drug and angry self-righteous guys like Turk, JD Hall, Phil Johnson, and others, can’t go without their drug. I predict a 2017 come-back.
I believe Frank Turk has skillfully and in typical religious pride mode, overemphasized his influence within the church. I have never heard of him nor has he influenced my faith in Jesus Christ in any way, shape or form. I did read his departing article, a first for his blog, and found it to be deeply disturbing.
I personally do not regard Phil Johnson as a truly Christ-like humble man. I used to be a faithful follower of John MacArthur and cannot stomach the pride of him or his underling preachers for their ‘celebrity status’ troubles me greatly. Celebrity preacher men and women usually guard the sins of those they favor, all the while exposing the sins of those with whom they hate, even within their own churches. They are indeed, human after all.
Going offline cuts him off from his Narcissistic Supply.
How long until he’s back depends on how soon the withdrawals kick in and how severe they get.
Yep, these guys are addicted to cussing out others in Jesus’ name … which, last time I looked, is not a fruit of the Spirit. I guess “Be ye angry but sin not” is not in their version of the Bible. 
Turk has spoken of his concern that poor, persecuted Tom Chantry will not be employable after the abuse accusations. I assume that since Turk is going dark, he will have a lot of time on his hands. So, if Chantry is not convicted, perhaps he and Turk of them could open a funeral parlor together.
Another Pastor’s Pet Pedo situation?
“All these pervs said one to another:
‘Perv unto perv o’er the world is Brother!'”
Wow. As sex crimes attorney/author/children’s advocate Andrew Vachss would say of enablers like Turk, “[He] isn’t just sick, but sickening.”
Guys like Turk are much too arrogant to just up and leave like this. It makes me wonder what may be revealed in the future that he doesn’t want to be publicly around for when another shoe drops.
From some of his articles I’ve read, I think he’s always been a bit unhinged ………. like an old barn door in an F-5 tornado.
I think it is wise for Turk to give up blogging–his lack of grace and generosity demonstrated in the attitude of superiority and passive-aggressive shots at others loudly proclaims that it is time for him to withdraw and re-evaluate.
What a disgusting non-apology from the boy-man. One word: unregenerate.

i think Frank Turk is stuck on a junior high hamster wheel: “well, if i can’t be big man on campus then…then….you smell!”

Exactly. He thinks he’s being Joe Cool when really he’s throwing a toddler tantrum.
And perhaps that is the problem with Mr. Turk – on paper he should be quite embarrassed, but instead is quite chuffed. That is what arrogance breeds, an inflated sense of one’s accomplishments and a complete disregard for the impact of one’s actions.

Dear Wade Burleson,  are you supportive of these comments on Frank Turk?  I'd love to know.