Friday, June 30, 2017

TWW; setting up the attack

Today's post is about the cognitive dissonance of a father involved in the protection of his daughter's virginity engaging in pedo-philia.  This child molester attends a Purity Ball.  Obviously, there is indeed some cognitive dissonance here.

But  for T.W.W., the cognitive dissonance is just a jumping off point to attack conservative Evangelicals:

Smeared in this post includes Pastor Steven Furtick, the Gospel Coalition and "clueless Christians at Elevation Church."

No Christian blog smears/shames any better than T.W.W.

TWW regular commenter does his angry/attacking thing

Be sure to read the last sentence "law prof" writes.  It says it all.

Preston Bennett here, fairly regular reader, very, very occasional poster, and happy member of Capitol Hill Baptist
Church for full disclosure, and my comments only pertain to my church.
Is it having a bookstall/store, or what it is stocked with, that is the concern?
CHBC is Calvinist/reformed, so finding author’s that are likewise really shouldn’t be a surprise ( although our bookstall does not exclusively stock only authors with Calvinist Theology, but a big majority). To say one doesn’t like something about the Theology of a particular person, and then say one doesn’t like some of the content of the books they author is redundant.
Secondly, I know for a fact that at CHBC the books are sold at cost from the publisher, without markup.
Thirdly, to the “what about the Bible?” Commenters, EVERY Sunday morning and evening, the service leader says something like “if you don’t have a Bible that you own that you can read, take the one in front of you as our gift to you”. (We have pew BIbles, and yes, they are ESV).
Fourth: I would find it hard to believe that anyone is gettting rich, or moderately wealthy, with booksales from these types of what I’ll broadly call Theology books; the more academic and narrow in topic then less likely. They just don’t have high numbers of sales. Exceptions might be more broadly written “Christian” books, for a wider readership. Furthermore, if a pastor or Theologian, or whomever, writes a book and profits from their labor, I don’t see the problem. I don’t think my pastor has a “scheme” to write dense Theology books and books on church polity with dollar signs in his eyes.
More broadly, after reading regularly for many years, although with special interest when CHBC and my pastor Mark Denver are mentioned, since I am a member, my take on TWW is that TWW disagrees with A: Calvinism B: complementarianism C: Formal church membership/covenants, or the type criticized over the years in posts as being heavy handed and authoritarian
When sins of an individual or a church body corporately are discovered, and those individuals or churches subscribe to A, B, or C, or all 3, that is seen as directly causative and the primary reason for the sin, and proof of the fatal flaw in A or B or C.
I would link the sin to the sin of Adam, and at times the sinful misuse of Calvinism, complementarianism, and church membership, rather than a primary flaw or error, and a large number of the posts are spurious to that disagreement. I don’t believe the “rate of incidence”, if you will, or type of the sins pointed out in TWW watch are higher or peculiar to churches or individuals espousing A/B/C, but are common to mankind, even professing Christians (although I have seen no study to back me up).
There is a lot of wealth to be made and being made by leaders within these groups. It’s not just book sales, it’s conference honoraria and various peaking fees, it’s church salaries that often reach into the six figures for larger congregations, it’s all the parks and various things, the love offerings, there are a great number of people living very affluent lives off of very little real work, and doing it all in the name of Jesus. I’ve seen the conference speakers on the circuit, been a member of a mega a good sight larger than John Piper’s mega, seen Piper himself in person more than once, been on paid staff of a church, I’ve seen the game played.
In my opinion, precious few of these people would have anything whatsoever to do with the “spread of the gospel” (as they put it–the spread of their brand and influence, as I typically put it) or full time ministry if they had to face anything like the Apostle Paul did: on again/off again poverty, hunger, beatings, humiliation, imprisonment, death.
NO way do you get me to go along. Leave now and run screaming.

Thursday, June 29, 2017


" the history of giving a hostage to fortune, John Cook, a former editor of the former online poison party known as Gawker, merits a special place. He has this to say about his professional aims: “I wanted to write true things about bad people . . . being bad or obnoxious or cruel or unkind.” When enemies had been so identified, he says, “We could give ’em ‘what fer.’”

Read more at:


WHEN I saw the line, "I wanted to write true things about bad people"  Wartburgwatch came to mind.

They, like the now bankrupt and defunct GAWKER, decide who the "bad people" are and then go after them.  Is TWW as scummy as the late unlamented GAWKER, of course not, but just like Gawker they have put together their own hit list of people with whom they disagree.  Then they write posts hoping to shame them.  Just like Gawker.

Saul Alinski's rules for radicals:

"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions."

Wednesday, June 28, 2017

HE MUST BE A NEO-CAL if you believe TWW's take on who the real sinners are.

He must at least be a personal friend of Mahaney - or Piper/Dever/Mohler.
I'm sure commenters will find a way to tie Cardinal Pell to the Young, Restless and reformed - sigh


T.W.W.  commenters; - McEnroe is so obviously correct - unless you simply deny God's reality about men and women.

Tuesday, June 27, 2017



by Paul Mirrengoff
I don’t know. I don’t watch women’s college sports, and thus have no opinion.
But Sally Jenkins of the Washington Post has one. She sees a problem:
The data shows that since. . .2012, female athletes have become more anxious, more prone to depression, less adult and more insecure than ever before. What is up with that?
According to a 2016 NCAA survey, 76 percent of all Division I female athletes said they would like to go home to their moms and dads more often, and 64 percent said they communicate with their parents at least once a day, a number that rises to 73 percent among women’s basketball players. And nearly a third reported feeling overwhelmed.


Among the main reasons for low morale that emerged in responses were the lack of opportunities for flexible working and a belief that the force does not take into account women's particular circumstances both when they are pregnant and when they return to work after having a child.
[  Let's face it; men and women are seriously different ]

Out of 3,410 responses – a very high number for such a survey – 42% said they had "given serious thought" to leaving. The proportion saying they were uncertain whether they would stay in the force was consistent across all ranks.
Just 20% said they were happy with the way things were in the force and a full 76% said they were pessimistic about the future of the service as a whole.


Leave policing and the warrior occupations to men - God didn't send women to war.

Sunday, June 25, 2017

Supporting the Inerrancy of Scripture or everything else

The question is:  Can Christianity lite survive the cultural attacks?
T.W.W. espouses Christianity lite.


O’Sullivan’s Law states that any organization or enterprise that is not expressly right wing will become left wing over time. The law is named after British journalist John O’Sullivan.
Translated to the religious venue.
Any organization/blog that does not support a conservative view of Scripture will be come liberal - and then irrelevant.

Thursday, June 22, 2017

WARTBURGWATCH hates R.C. Sproul Sr.

They have a post about R.C. Sproul Jr., who has a severe alcohol problems by all accounts.  Frankly, he's just one of many pastors/priests who have serious issues with alcohol abuse.  So he's not on the radar because of his alcohol problems.  No, he's on TWW's radar because his Daddy holds to and teaches, very influentially, the inerrancy of Scripture.

T.W.W. wishes to silence ALL conservative Evangelicals who teach the inerrancy of Scripture.  You simply can't be a feminist and an inerrantist.  It's that simple.

R.C. Sproul Sr., and his Evangelical friends, are destructive to the feminist narrative.
Therefore, attacking him through his family is an option because NOBODY dare question the feminist narrative.

Ah, the on-going compassion of T.W.W. [sarc]


Addendum - commenter Deborah Coan - who exhibits compassion

"Why do you feel it’s necessary to malign a godly servant like RC Sproul [ SR ] as if he is in some way responsible for his grown sons actions! He has been through enough pain without your unfounded accusations and threats even that if his son hurts someone it will be on his head . This is inexcusable and seriously hurts your credibility.
I’ve been a Ligonier for years . I watch RC continue to persevere through terrible physical pains preaching Gods word wearing an oxygen mask . Leave him alone! We all grieve over our grown children when they inflict pain on themselves and others knowing that most of the time our help is rejected."

DEBORAH, T.W.W. exists to attack men like R.C. Sr.  - That's who they are.

Wednesday, June 21, 2017

BEWARE false abuse allegations; - yes it does happen

The couple had been convicted in 1992 after therapists testified that they helped the three alleged victim recover memories of satanic rituals and sexual abuse suffered at the hands of the Kellers. 


Over the past several years; many T.W.W. commenters have indicated their faith in  secular therapists.  Frankly, I'm not sure why.  

MEDICAL CONSEQUENCES of the homosexual lifestyle - it's pretty brutal

You've been warned.

Tuesday, June 20, 2017

TWW hates James MacDonald

A few representative comments:

Wow. These guys are such scam artists.

Poor James didn’t get his bottom kissed.
If only people would one-day figure out the only reason these self-worshipping brats became Christians is to get their bottom’s thoroughly kissed and quick easy free money.
Basically, these men are demanding that we pay them to become their trapped, submissive, bottom-kissing, money-giving, slave-robots.

4. Must fawn all over the leaders of The Gospel Coalition.

Wouldn’t The Antichrist breeze through their real criteria?
(Especially the “Slick Deceiver” archetype of Antichrist…)

The SBC Calvinist are courting these independent Calvinist groups because then they can have more Calvinist messengers every year at the SBC who vote for officers who appoint trustees and on and on. It's part of the "reformation" of the SBC. The NAMB plant Calvinist churches for the same reason. Every church gets I think a minimum of two messengers. And now you can see the Calvinists banding together to give "scholarships" to those who need help getting to the SBC.

These men just turn my stomach! How are people so deceived by these charlatans?
All I see in them is: $$$$$$

Grow by networking is the theme of the day in SBC. In an effort to reverse the downward trend in SBC numbers, they have partnered with various New Calvinist ministries – including Mahaney, Driscoll, and MacDonald. The SBC continues to dig a deeper hole – one they may never get out of.
Seems like the only requirement for a church to be part of the SBC is the subjugation of women.


FYI - a bit of irony.  I was officially banned from T.W.W. for my lack of compassion.

The "lack of compassion" only applies to those who don't buy the whole feminist narrative at TWW.
Otherwise, you can be as angry and attacking as you choose - as long as you're attacking the conservative Evangelicals.  Then, "Katy bar the door."

That's how T.W.W. rolls.

Do I think there are problem with MacDonald and Harvest?   YES

Do I think there are problems with T.W.W.  ABSOLUTELY  -
What we have is the pot [ TWW ] calling the kettle [ MacDonald ] black.

Monday, June 19, 2017

Thriving and non thriving seminaries - contrary to TWW's expectations

""Among the smallest accredited Protestant seminaries in the nation are three Episcopal seminaries: Bexley Hall Seabury-Western Theological Seminary Federation with 17 full-time students enrolled, General Theological Seminary with 34 full-time students, and Episcopal Divinity School with 35 full-time students. IRD’s Jeffrey Walton reported Episcopal Divinity School will no longer grant degrees after the coming academic school year. 

“A menu of recycled 1960s-era liberation theology themes garnished with radical sexuality and gender studies proved unappealing to prospective seminarians,” noted Walton.

Meanwhile, it’s two Cooperative Baptist Fellowship-associated seminaries that reveal another interesting contrast among evangelical institutions. Unlike the chart-topping conservative SBC-affiliated seminaries, the more liberal CBF-affiliated Baptist Theological Seminary of Richmond counted 42 full-time students and Baptist Seminary of Kentucky had only 31 full-time students in 2015-16.""

Those of you predicting the death knell of the SBC might just hedge your bets if seminary attendance is any indication.

T.W.W. hating the Southern Baptist

[ About the vote on the Alt-right.  Unlike Wartburg fables, here's from a guy who was there. ]

"Because I was there, I’ve been disappointed at some of the musings, pontifications, and even insinuations of those who weren’t there, including both secular media and armchair quarterbacks who were offering misinformed assessments. At no point and in no way was the resolutions committee being “soft” on the Alt-Right or other forms of white supremacy. At no point were Southern Baptists debating whether or not we ought to denounce these demonic impulses. At no point did Steve Gaines or anyone else force Southern Baptists to do something they didn’t want to do. At no point were Southern Baptists wringing their hands over how we would look in the media if we didn’t do something. At no point were we trying not to offend Trump voters—or any other voters, for that matter. None of that happened, and folks who suggest it did are either speaking out of ignorance or out of malicious intent, period."

Per usual,  the ladies of Wartburg more interested in their narrative than the truth.

Come on ladies, you can do better [ as can your commenters.] 

"This is the bottom line: if you weren’t in the room where it happened, then you really don’t know. You are free to make whatever assumptions you wish, but please admit they are just that: assumptions, rather than informed commentary based on first-hand knowledge. And as you make those assumptions, give us the benefit of the doubt. It’s the Christ-like thing to do."    Nathan Finn

Sunday, June 18, 2017

T.W.W. icon Barbara Roberts gets pushback for her treatment of Scripture.

[ BTW Barbara, every husband is NOT an abuser.  There is not a secret abuser in the  heart of every man. ]

ADDENDUM -  A post about R.C. Sproul's alcohol abuse and arrest, felony.

Barbara comments:  R C Sproul Junior needs to be put out of the church and that needs to be very publicly done because he has been so significant at Ligonier. 1 Corinthians 5:11-13.

[  I would suggest putting sinners out of the church is kind of against everything the church stands for. ]

Saturday, June 17, 2017

Young female police officer stabbed to death

It's heart-breaking.

You have to wonder if they would have attacked had she not been a female - much more likely to be physically overcome.

Thursday, June 15, 2017

Art Terkeursts - what are you searching desperately for?

This is a sad story.

I'd love to read a post from the husband.

Do I think he's guilty of adultery?  Yep

Is there a logic to it?  Could be.

I always like to hear both sides.

 I'm a guy!  It makes a difference.

Tuesday, June 13, 2017

Will T.W.W. be commenting on this?

TWW pot calls kettle black

In their post on the Young, Restless and reformed they end the post with this paragraph.

"Dee and I have written extensively on most of these individuals and institutions that Collin Hansen praises. In a mere nine years, some dramatic changes have taken place in the Neo-Cal world. When will we ever learn to keep our focus on Christ alone?"

Indeed ladies; as you accuse others of not keeping their focus on Christ alone your focus continues to be attacking conservative Evangelicals who hold to the inerrancy of Scripture.

That is your focus on Christ alone?

Pot, meet kettle.

Monday, June 12, 2017


Oxford, concerned women don’t do as well on tests as men, to let students take it at home.

POPE THREATENS FIRINGS [ I guess he's a Neo-Cal - sarc ]

VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis has laid down an ultimatum to defiant Nigerian priests: lose your job if you don't obey me and your bishop.
Francis met June 8 at the Vatican with a delegation from the Ahiara diocese, where priests have been refusing to accept the 2012 appointment by the then pontiff, Benedict XVI, of the local bishop.
Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano, reporting the pope's unusually harsh order, said Sunday that Francis was acting "for the good of the people of God" by threatening to suspend the priests from the ministry if they didn't pledge in a letter, by July 9, "total obedience" to Francis and accept Bishop Peter Okpaleke's appointment.

According to many TWW commenters, ONLY Neo-cals would be so authoritarian.

I wonder if Deebs will give this a post - probably not.  It doesn't follow the narrative does it.

Thursday, June 8, 2017

Paving the way

Of interest - Elijah paved the way for Elisha.

Paul paved the way for Timothy.

John the Baptist paved the way for Jesus.

Should there be a post about this?
Did they do something wrong?

Sigh - T.W.W.   -

ADDENDUM - commenters upset about Andy's doctorate in 3 1/2 years

Chelsea did hers in 3.

Wednesday, June 7, 2017

Does the blog contribute to Dee's illness?

I do have to wonder Dee if, for a variety of reasons, the blog doesn't contribute to you stress levels which impacts your body's ability to fight off illness which brings fatigue and flare-ups of other physical issues.  It may not be good for your health.  Seriously.

WartburgWatch encourages victimization

"We have a lot of victims but we're running out of oppressors." -- Victor Davis Hanson

Monday, June 5, 2017

TWW attacks Evangelical Andy Davis - Wormwood grins

Dee has a question:

Sovereign timing and total depravity
I am sometimes amazed when I realize that God has placed me in circumstances that eventually result in a blog post. Today is no exception. I want to make one thing perfectly clear to the Calvinistas who will read this post with gritted teeth. If you claim to believe in a sovereign God, then you will need to ask why I, who writes a blog, was given this unique perspective by those who were one the "receiving end" of Davis' judgments. Also, since some of you subscribe to the total depravity of man, you will need to deal with the fact that even a much-admired pastor can be capable of misrepresenting a situation.
Dear Dee, in the sovereignty of God both good Kings and bad Kings serve His purposes.  Both good blogs and bad blogs serve His purposes.  You, blog author, serve God's purposes regardless of your intent.
As R.C. Sproul has pointed out, even EVIL serves God's purposes.
" One thing we know for sure is that evil does exist. It exists, if nowhere else, in us and in our behavior. We know that the force of evil is extraordinary and brings great pain and suffering into the world. We also know that God is sovereign over it and in His sovereignty will not allow evil to have the last word. Evil always and ever serves the ultimate best interest of God Himself. It is God in His goodness and in His sovereignty t  has ordained the final conquest over evil and its riddance from His universe. In this redemption we find our rest and our joy — and until that time, we live in a fallen world."

MANY Non Calvinist also hold to the sovereignty of God.
Roger Olson writes,

“Classical Arminianism goes far beyond belief in general providence to include affirmation of God’s intimate and direct involvement in every event of nature and history. The only thing the Arminian view of God’s sovereignty necessarily excludes is God’s authorship of sin and evil. Faithful followers of Arminius have always believed that God governs the entire universe and all of history. Nothing at all can happen without God’s permission, and many things are specifically and directly controlled and caused by God. Even sin and evil do not escape God’s providential governance in classical Arminian theology. God permits and limits them without willing or causing them.”3

P.S., if you wish to see the Donner Pass of Christianity, do look closely at The Episcopal Church.  It's not Evangelical churches that are dying out,  it is the mainstream churches.  The more liberal their theology, the faster their death spiral.

FYI, only if you're interested
Written by a female Marine

Attack on traditional marriage views


Warburgwatch hates 1 Cor. 11:7-9

[M]an the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. (1Corinthians 11:7-9)

[ A nightmare of a verse in these feminist times, and yet there it is.

And by the way, for those of you upset with this verse; do remember your problem isn't actually with the messenger [ moi ] it's with the message. ]

Sunday, June 4, 2017

Women are slower - significantly

I want the biggest, fast meanest cop to show up if people around me are being shot down.  Bring the testosterone.

John Piper is still right.

Facts can be a problem if your narrative is gender equality.

Saturday, June 3, 2017

Wartburg Women - binge drinkers?

Pretty sure the overwhelming majority of the comments are made by "mature" white females.

Does this correlate with the continued rise of feminism?

Are "strong, independent women" drinking more?

[   Modern woman's motto: The only man you'll ever need - Jim Beam ]


TWW frequent commenter  says:


So Christiane?  Will there be any rebuking of the above comment by Dee, Deb or other commenterrs?  I'm thinking not.  The bile and misandry [ dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against men ] runs deep at TWW.