Thursday, August 31, 2017

T.W.W. upset [ but of course ] that CBMW presents a Biblical view of sexuality.

Who knew - dryly.

T.W.W. is written by feminists; it is supported in its comments by feminists.  They continue to reject what the New Testament says about genders.  Also, the secular culture fully agrees with the Deebs.

[  I don't think, but could be wrong, that the Deebs as feminists would send all men off for castration as the most radical feminists would, but then I haven't interviewed them to make sure this is not a part of their ultimate agenda -  -:)]
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WOMEN

Ephesians 5: 22-33
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body.31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.



  1. Peter 3
1Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. 5For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands,6like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her lord. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
7Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.





The New Testament Church—The Role of Women

1 Corinthians 11:3-10 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. 4 Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying, disgraces his head. 5 But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying, disgraces her head; for she is one and the same with her whose head is shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. 7 For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9 for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. 10 Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.
1 Corinthians 14:33-35 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. 34 Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35 And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.


1 Timothy 5:10 having a reputation for good works; and if she has brought up children, if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the saints’ feet, if she has assisted those in distress, and if she has devoted herself to every good work.
Titus 2:3-5 Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips, nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, 4 that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be dishonored.


  1. Timothy 2: 8-15
8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds, appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.


See also 1 Timothy 2:9-15, Romans 16:1-6 and Luke 8:1-3.

Wednesday, August 30, 2017

GROUP THINK at T.W.W.

T.W.W. posters and commenters might well take this advice from 15 scholars to the incoming freshman class.

Reading the comments at TWW always reminds me of "Group Think."


"Fifteen highly accomplished scholars who teach at Yale, Princeton, and Harvard published a letter Monday with advice for young people who are headed off to college: Though it will require self-discipline and perhaps even courage, “Think for yourself.”
The “vice of conformism” is a temptation for all faculty and students, they argue, due to a climate rife with group think, where it is “all-too-easy to allow your views and outlook to be shaped by dominant opinion” on a campus or in academia generally.
They warn that on many campuses, what John Stuart Mill called “the tyranny of public opinion” doesn’t merely discourage students from dissenting from prevailing views:
“It leads them to suppose dominant views are so obviously correct that only a bigot or a crank could question them. Since no one wants to be, or be thought of, as a bigot or a crank, the easy, lazy way to proceed is simply by falling into line with campus orthodoxies. Don’t do that. Think for yourself.”

Tuesday, August 29, 2017

What feminism hath wrought - part umpteen

As the number of highly educated women has increased in recent decades, the chances of "marrying up" have increased significantly for men and decreased for women, according to a new study led by a University of Kansas sociologist.
"The pattern of  and its economic consequences have changed over time," said lead author ChangHwan Kim, associate professor of sociology. "Now women are more likely to get married to a less-educated man. What is the consequence of this?"


Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2017-08-easier-men-economic-well-being.html#jCp


Does God accept excuses

T.W.W. writes about a church situation where a youth pastor molested students.  It appears it took a little time for the church to come to grips with it.  For many, people blame their church for them leaving the faith.  T.W.W. has a history of saying it is the church's fault that people have left it.  If only we had a better church - dryly [ as if the church hasn't ALWAYS been populated by and led by sinners. ]

T.W.W. over the years has posted similar type stories; bottom line, if churches were better people wouldn't leave the faith.

There are actually two problems with this narrative.

The primary one is this;  will God accept excuses for an individual who denies His call?  

Does God ever say, "Yeah, I see; it's somebody's else's fault that you didn't follow after me."  Or are there no excuses for your rejection of God's call.

Secondly:  John 6

Many Disciples Desert Jesus

60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”
61 Aware that his disciples were grumbling about this, Jesus said to them, “Does this offend you? 62 Then what if you see the Son of Manascend to where he was before! 63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit[e]and life. 64 Yet there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus had known from the beginning which of them did not believe and who would betray him. 65 He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

Here you have THE PERFECT LEADER and yet people turned away.

So, if you are angry at the church you can blame them for your rejection of the faith.  Rationalize and justify your actions and rejection of the faith.

But I'm thinking God is NOT going to accept your excuse; YOU and only YOU will be held accountable for your decisions.

Saturday, August 26, 2017

The pastor and his family - what T.W.W. won't tell you.

4 Lies that Cause Pastors to Neglect their Families

http://tinyurl.com/ya8d7lkx

[ This site has some truly excellent posts ]

Miss Daisy did post a good article -she has noted her own significant history in past posts

https://missdaisyflower.wordpress.com/2017/08/18/the-negative-side-effects-of-anti-depressant-medications-by-sonya-vatomsky/

Every time someone at T.W.W. clamors for the supremacy of secular treatment for mental and emotional issues Miss Daisy has offered a more nuanced view based upon her own experiences.


Thursday, August 24, 2017

Why affirmative action won't work - Deebs concerned about the Evangelicals.

From NationalReview

Here’s an interesting fact. The cohort that’s most over-represented in American colleges and universities, Asian Americans, also happens to have the lowest percentage of nonmarital births in the United States. In fact, the the greater the percentage of nonmarital births, the worse the educational outcomes. Only 16.4 percent of Asian and Pacific Islander children are born into nonmarried households. For white, Hispanic, and black Americans the percentages are 29.2, 53, and 70.6, respectively. Taken together, that means that staggering numbers of Hispanic and black children face a degree of family stress and uncertainty that their white and Asian peers simply don’t experience.

No one should argue that increased resources make no difference. But to omit the influence of family on educational outcome is to conveniently forget the elephant in the room. Teachers know the importance of family, and they feel its absence. 

A good friend taught four years in an inner-city elementary school, and she told me that out of 100 kids (25 per year) exactly seven lived with their mom and dad. 

None lived with married parents. 

Only a small minority of single moms ever showed up for parent-teacher conferences. How much money will put those kids on equal footing with peers from intact, engaged families?

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/450799/college-affirmative-action-failure-family-dissolutions-greater-role

The Culture War

Fred wrote:

"Bitter conflicts force the taking of sides, often with people one does not like. For example, I think Trump is a horse’s ass, dangerous, naive, uninformed, and a thorough-going damned fool. I detest the KKK (which barely exists, but never mind) and disagree with the Alt-Right on many things. Yet when I look at the other side, the armed bands, the censorship, thought control, indoctrination, the re-writing of history, their media arm, the identity politics, the push for control, control, control—I think,“I’ll take Trump—gack–and certainly the Deplorables.” And of course if violence comes, it’s one or the other. You can’t reason with a mob armed with lengths of rebar.

There is no principle in any of this. It is visceral. Animalistic mobs of ill-bred semi-literates vandalize statues as eagerly as Muslims blowing up Buddhist monuments. This is war, of low intensity but still war. Culture war at first, but tending toward baseball-bat war. And the federal government sides with the vandals. 
So far the attacks not been answered, but a lot of the country is thinking, “Bring it on.” Conservatives are not creatures of the herd, and do not wave placards. But they too are armed.
https://fredoneverything.org/to-the-barricades-we-will-at-least-be-less-bored/

The Danvers Statement

The Danvers Statement must define the mission and vision of CBMW. Danvers is our true north. At the heart of that statement is a biblical conviction about what it means to be created in the image of God as male and female:
“Both Adam and Eve were created in God’s image, equal before God as persons and distinct in their manhood and womanhood. . . Distinctions in masculine and feminine roles are ordained by God as part of the created order, and should find an echo in every human heart.”
As Danvers makes clear, these truths have immediate implications for leadership in the home and in the church. We believe this to be a faithful summary of biblical teaching.
There is room in the complementarian coalition for differences in application, and indeed we know that individual ministries and churches will carry out the Danvers vision in ways not specified by Danvers. Nevertheless, we welcome all evangelicals who affirm Danvers into a coalition to advance this biblical vision.
I would also add that there is room for all Nicene evangelicals in the complementarian coalition, regardless of one’s views on the current controversy. If you can affirm Danvers, we welcome you to be a part of what we are trying to do. For more on that, read my vision statement here. We need all hands on deck to meet the current challenges facing the church with respect to gender and sexuality. That is the vision we will be working on, and I am eager to build a coalition toward that end.

The eternal subordination of the son and the gender roles argument.

http://www.dennyburk.com/my-take-aways-from-the-trinity-debate/
There is, in the relations of origin of the triune God, an irreversible taxis to which the obedience of the incarnate Christ corresponds in human form. It’s an eternal procession that reaches its strangely logical final conclusion in the sending of the Son. As for his submission to the Father, I don’t know what they call it in the happy land of the Trinity, but when it lives among us it is rightly named obedience. - Fred Sanders
The only thing I would add to this statement is that the Bible teaches that the pre-incarnate Son submits to the Father in the covenant of redemption, and I would affirm with Swain that this teaching is an “application of orthodox trinitarian principles to the locus of God’s eternal decree” (p. 122).
5. On Gender: I am a Danvers complementarian. That view of gender is not and never has been reliant upon an analogy to the Trinity. 
Biblical complementarianism neither stands nor falls on speculative parallels with Trinity. 
It may be that some writers have pushed such analogies, but that has never been an essential ingredient of Danvers complementarianism.

Denny Burk is the President of the CBMW

Tuesday, August 22, 2017

Save the Patriarchy

https://ifstudies.org/blog/the-biological-effects-of-father-loss-an-interview-with-daniel-notterman

God established roles for men and women.  You need both.  Women make terrible men - and vice versa.

Save the children - grit your teeth and do everything within your power to save your marriage.
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One often hears about abusive husbands; rarely about abusive and dangerous wives.

My paperwork side job - looking at people's histories.   I've seen some histories of women that were so evil, I wanted to pick up the phone, call their boyfriend and tell him to:
A) Tell his boss he's leaving for good that very day.
B) Get in his car and head for another state.
     1. Do NOT go home to get your things
     2. Do NOT call your girlfriend to tell her you are leaving
     3. Open your phone up, remove the SIM card and throw it in the trash.
C)  Never-ever contact her again in your lifetime.  Otherwise you will find yourself jailed and or killed - directly on indirectly by the girlfriend.

If you are married and have children with a woman like that however, pray very, very hard that God will protect your children from the evil-insanity that is their mother.

Yep, there are women like that - and a lot of them can be found in your Mainline Church.

[Deebs like to try and tie all abuse to the Evangelical Church - doesn't matter where it happened so I'll return the favor and tie feminine abuse  to the dying Mainline Churches that have become increasingly bereft of good men - put the women in charge; watch the men disappear.

Here's a good article about a male, feminine icon - Joss Whedon

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/08/22/hypocrite-preaching-feminist-ideals-director-joss-whedons-ex-wife-accuses-him-of-cheating/?utm_term=.47fc811ed9b3

Thursday, August 17, 2017

The CHILDREN of Catholic Priests

http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/08/16/father-father-children-catholic-priests-live-with-secrets-and-sorrow/mvYO5SOxAxZYJBi8XxiaqN/story.html

"THE PLIGHT OF the children of priests is a global phenomenon, but a strikingly little-studied subject. Much of what is known must be inferred from studies like A.W. Richard Sipe’s “A Secret World” — still the landmark examination of priests and sexuality 27 years after its publication. Sipe found that nearly 30 percent of Catholic clergy were in regular or occasional sexual relationships with women, while approximately half were leading celibate lives."

I read the book; it was an education.  "Celebate" doesn't mean what you think it means when you look at the Catholic Priesthood.

[  I don't know how, but I'm sure T.W.W. and its commenters can find a way to attack John Piper/Mark Dever  et. al. with this article - dryly.  That's a T.W.W. specialty. ]

The Anglican Church of North America may be your answer

This Anglican denomination grew out of a split within the Episcopal Church when T.E.H. turned even further left theologically and multiple churches declared they had "had enough" and asked if the African Anglican Church would provide coverage - which it did - and in 2008 the Anglican denomination of North America came into existence.

They inherited [ or grandmothered in ]  about 10 female priests.

It appears the Anglican church in North America still is uneasy about what to do in ordaining female priest;  the Anglican church in Africa does not ordain female priests.

The Anglican church in North America HAS decreed that all bishops will be at least 35 years old and they will, indeed, be men. -

The Anglican church is, historically, theologically reformed.

Tuesday, August 15, 2017

The DEEBS are going to have to explain to some church leadership what they do - such as make fun of John Piper

"The letters are now being received by lots of people. Needless to say, I am going to have to discuss this with some folks. I am delaying the post until after I speak with a few individuals. Please keep me in your prayers as I seek to explain what we do here at TWW."

Looking forward to read how the DEEBS justify making fun of John Piper, Al Mohler, Mark Dever et. al.
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Monday, August 14, 2017

Daisy and TWW versus Scripture.

Daisy makes her argument from the culture

HERE IS SCRIPTURE:


Friday, July 7, 2017


TWW feminists versus N.T. Scripture



And these are the particular passage of N.T. Scripture that Dee/Deb and Daisy do not accept as authoritative in our time and culture.
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WOMEN

Ephesians 5: 22-33
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body.31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.


  1. Peter 3
1Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as elaborate hairstyles and the wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes. 4Rather, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight. 5For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands,6like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her lord. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
7Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.




The New Testament Church—The Role of Women

1 Corinthians 11:3-10 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ. 4 Every man who has something on his head while praying or prophesying, disgraces his head. 5 But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying, disgraces her head; for she is one and the same with her whose head is shaved. 6 For if a woman does not cover her head, let her also have her hair cut off; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, let her cover her head. 7 For a man ought not to have his head covered, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. 8 For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; 9 for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake. 10 Therefore the woman ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.
1 Corinthians 14:33-35 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints. 34 Let the women keep silent in the churches; for they are not permitted to speak, but let them subject themselves, just as the Law also says. 35 And if they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is improper for a woman to speak in church.

1 Timothy 5:10 having a reputation for good works; and if she has brought up children, if she has shown hospitality to strangers, if she has washed the saints’ feet, if she has assisted those in distress, and if she has devoted herself to every good work.
Titus 2:3-5 Older women likewise are to be reverent in their behavior, not malicious gossips, nor enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, 4 that they may encourage the young women to love their husbands, to love their children, 5 to be sensible, pure, workers at home, kind, being subject to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be dishonored.

  1. Timothy 2: 8-15
8 Therefore I want the men everywhere to pray, lifting up holy hands without anger or disputing. 9 I also want the women to dress modestly, with decency and propriety, adorning themselves, not with elaborate hairstyles or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, 10 but with good deeds,appropriate for women who profess to worship God.
11 A woman[a] should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[b] she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women[c] will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.

See also 1 Timothy 2:9-15, Romans 16:1-6 and Luke 8:1-3.