T.W.W. - ambivalence about progressive Christianity

The Episcopal Church is NOT ambivalent about the historic faith [ they have rejected it ] and they are paying the price.


http://theaquilareport.com/episcopal-church-near-collapse/

[ from 5 years ago ]
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/15/opinion/sunday/douthat-can-liberal-christianity-be-saved.html

from Daniel Patrick Moynihan:

“Liberalism faltered when it turned out it could not cope with truth. . . The liberal project began to fail when it began to lie. That was the mid sixties…the rot set in and has continued since.”

T.W.W. is pro lust?

John Piper is very guilty of one thing; spilling secrets.  Men lust.  He has experienced lust but no longer. His desire is for total marital fulfillment with his wife.

I'm guessing they have very lovely marital encounters; neither he nor his wife have experienced promiscuity by all accounts and he is very dedicated to her.  If you were a wife, wouldn't it be nice to know your husband has only eyes for your femininity?  I would think so,  but I'm not a wife.

I'm really not sure why T.W.W. would mock a Christian man for seeking to be free of lust and giving other husbands hope.

The temptations of the flesh are never ending are they not?  I think so.  Does God call us to fight the battle?  He surely does.
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Hooray for you John Piper.  You speak truth to a people who hate truth.


Prov 5:19

Avoid Immorality
…18Let your fountain be blessed, And rejoice in the wife of your youth. 19As a loving hind and a graceful doe, Let her breasts satisfy you at all times;  
Be exhilarated always with her love. 20For why should you, my son, be exhilarated with an adulteress And embrace the bosom of a foreigner?…

[  BTW, they are breasts, not "tatas."]

FASCINATING COMMENT from a FASCINATING ARTICLE; update John Piper

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I attend an Anglican Church which is part of ‘the Convocation of Anglicans in North America (The Church of Nigeria, Anglican Communion), using the
1928 Book of Common Prayer. It’s small, but not tiny, and growing.
I’m in my 50s, from California. Attending church was never a part of my childhood as my parents were atheists and my neighborhoods were devoid of church-going people. As a curious “seeker” in my twenties, I attended an Episcopal church, which I later joined, and after a years of listless boredom and putting up with increasing weirdnesses, I found this Anglican church.
Legions of us, children of atheists, struggle with any sort of faith. For me, doubt overwhelms daily. Merely believing the basics of Christian faith seems far more of a struggle to me than it does for those who grew up in the church, that is, in real churches where something other than progressive social policy is/was taught.
In my first grade of school, my parents inexplicably became Presbyterian. This blip in normal secular family behavior has given me memories of wiping oil off seagulls on the beach and wandering around Chinatown in San Francisco giving sandwiches to hippies. I vividly remember when the Sunday School teacher was told we had to memorize a part of a psalm (23rd, perhaps) so she left the classroom to find bibles. It took a bit of time, but she came back with a shiny bibles and passed them around. This was the first time I had seen a Bible — I wasn’t sure what it was. I thought, perhaps, it had magical powers, that the words within were charmed and so ran my fingers over the text so the magic would stick to my little fingers like sweet honey. Strangely, I licked my fingers afterward because I didn’t want to waste or lose any of the magic they had touched.
I asked the Sunday School teacher if I could take the magical book home for a week … and was refused.
Tragically, I didn’t learn from my own parent’s mistakes and so didn’t raise my own kids in churches. I repeated what I experienced, giving my kids only occasional forays into foreign, churchly places. My children are the latest iteration of a continuing process of spiritual degradation which has been manifested generationally. Seven generations of my family, ending with my grandfather, attended Princeton to train for the ministry. Seven! But my father, who is still alive, became a physicist, a thorough-going secularist/materialist who rejected the hypocrisy of his own father, a corrupt minister. This probably explains why I wasn’t raised in the church. It also explains why my children weren’t raised with any faith. And, sadly, their children won’t be raised in the faith, most likely.
In spite of all the hoopla about “outreach” and “missionary work within our own communities,” the number of converts who raise their children successfully in churches, and then their grandchildren … is vanishingly small. What I see, as a struggling Christian, are churches populated with people who grew up in the faith, not newbies or converts with families. Once an extended family “goes secular,” the path to re-Christianizing that family is long, difficult and usually unsuccessful."
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THE CHURCH OF MODERN LUNACY

http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=10845

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Most recent post from T.W.W. is about John Piper -
Believe me, he lives "rent free" in their heads.  He's a great and Godly man.

Don't forget; the prophets have always been hated.

Getting more visitors daily - UPDATE

The internet is an interesting place.  What can I say.  You have your opinion, I have mine.
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Ah, a love note from the Deebs-

"The Deebs are so pleased that Jimmy Brown and anonymous have connected."  Dee 

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For those of you who's theology is more progressive/liberal -

From the BabylonBee

HEAVEN—The everlasting Creator God admitted through a messenger Tuesday that He has recently been concerned that His unchanging, eternal truths might end up being on the wrong side of history.

The Lord has reportedly been growing increasingly worried in recent years that His objective morals seem to be more and more out of step with the current culture’s ever-changing standards. According to insiders, the Almighty Creator of the entire universe has been struggling with inner turmoil over the outdated nature of His commands centering around human sexuality, marriage, and gender identity for “a while now.”

“The Lord admits that He just isn’t sure anymore,” the heavenly messenger explained to reporters. “What if human history looks back at Him in a negative light in a couple hundred years? He just doesn’t know if He can take that kind of rejection.”

Several of the Most High God’s attendants have attempted to assure Him otherwise, reminding the Lord that humans change their moral standards every generation or so, and that in the grand scheme of eternity human history was but a fleeting speck. But it was no use.

“God admits that He has a lot of thinking to do, and would appreciate any wise counsel finite humankind would be willing to offer,” the messenger said.

http://babylonbee.com/news/eternal-god-concerned-might-wrong-side-history/

TWW upset that friends are getting sued. - UPDATE

Alternative headline:

Social Justice Warriors at T.W.W. upset that a Social Justice Warrior of the Windy City news is suing another Social Justice Warrior Organization,  S.N.A.P.

The Deebs have made it very clear that lawsuits are a good thing when you believe your cause is right.  Should you sue your church?  Of course.  Why not.

However, keep in mind, while it's "good times" when you're the plaintiff, not so much when you're the defendant.
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It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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https://www.algemeiner.com/2017/07/10/award-winning-journalist-who-broke-story-of-jewish-women-barred-from-chicago-dyke-march-removed-from-reporting-duties/

[ same lady ]
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UPDATE:   commenter Nick nails the hypocrisy

Sometimes, on a thread that arouses strong views, a regular Wartburg takes a slightly contrary stance. Occasionally this stirs up a hornets’ spanner in the works and sleeping dogs hit the fan. I can only prefix this by asking you to trust that I’m not trying to be contentious, nor to attack anybody or impugn anybody’s motives, nor do I think anybody has written anything hateful, stupid, ignorant or offensive.
I don’t know that SNAP is not in it for the money. Specifically, I don’t know whether Gretchen Hammond’s lawsuit has any basis.
My guess is that it’s a misunderstanding, combined with a clash of personalities and perhaps some hidden hurts, that snowballed and ran out of control. We’ve seen something like that here in Wartburg; you all know what I mean, so I won’t elaborate. But my guess is just that; it’s only a guess. I think it’s plausible.
I’m really into evidence. When someone makes an allegation, you might believe them and call them a victim, or disbelieve them and call them a liar. But those aren’t the only two options; you can also take the issue seriously, and investigate it on its own merits independent of whether you think most allegations like it are true or false.

But, brothers and sisters (no sarcasm implied: it is an honour to use those words) I want to note just this. In this case, one person is bringing a charge against an organisation. If the organisation were a neo-Calvinist “church”, we would not be treating the one person the way we are here.

HAD TO LAUGH

Saw this comment interchange and immediately thought of TWW

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"Ever seen Mean Girls?"

"Yes, that was a documentary disguised as a mainstream movie."

TWW and Christian discernment

TWW  opens up its recent post quoting Harry Potter.

Theoretically, TWW is a Christian discernment blog - yet they're quoting Harry Potter.

I find that highly amusing.